Let me clarify my stand on this… this… DRAMA.
October 24, 2007 at 12:17 am 27 comments
Mendoi (or MenClave, as they like to call themselves), are accusing me of attacking them.
Let me make it clear, to anyone who is involved, or cares, or wants to see me get ripped to shreds by an elitist self-centered prick and his legions of mindless fans, while I may have trod on some toes by accident, I do not have any intentions to harm Mendoi (or MenClave). I did not mean to harm anyone’s reputation but DarkMirage’s. If I did so I sincerely apologize.
I respect all sub groups, irregardless of translation quality, video quality, or whatever arbitrary standard you compare them to, for it is them who exploit loopholes in their respective countries’ law and the Berne Convention to do something the licensing companies sometimes fail to do: promote animé. While it’s a shame that it’s now degenerated into nothing but who’s got the most leechers and e-penis and drama instead of promoting Japanese cartoons, it’s life. No point complaining
And while we’re at it, yes, I get it, Nyoro~n can’t translate their way out of a paper bag, have mediocre encoders, etc. Let me get that out of the way first. All groups have their issues, and it takes a massive effort to realize that. It’ s a shame lolfang chose to ignore rather than to accede, but he’s got guts standing up for his work in the face of cold, hard evidence. He’s either very reckless or very stupid, and it’s most likely a combination of both. (I GET IT. NYORO~N SUCKS. I don’t need a friggen pdf to tell me that.)
Now to the crux of the matter.
The only one I am targeting is DarkMirage. It is he that I am calling out for for being a self-centered faggot, not MenClave. In fact, MenClave, while they think he is right about attacking another sub group with the raw facts, and in fact even support such a disgusting effort to undermine the peace (not like there’s any, LOL), the fact is, we don’ t know why DarkMirage did that post, and what are his intentions.
And it does seem that he is not ashamed to use the same detestable tactics ODEX uses, setting himself up as the hero for his cause. The point is, there are better ways to do that. Bring it up in their forum or blog, for instance. Why would anyone currently involved with a sub group pull such a spectacle like this is beyond me. Just because you have a spankin’ JLPT1 does not give YOU the right to act like some sort of arrogant braggart, nor does it give you the right to flame sub groups for sub-par work in your own blog. That is why blogs have a comment field, DarkMirage. It’s for YOU to tell them how much they rock/suck/desu/whatever.
As far as I’m concerned, DarkMirage is no friend to Japanese otaku culture. He’s no better than the self-serving politicians in America. Don’t direct your hate at MenClave, direct all your hate towards the person who started this sorry mess. MenClave areunfortunately victims of this sorry mess, and while they might support DarkMirage, the thing is, they’re not to blame for standing up for their fellow member.
Remember folks, MenClave are not to blame, DarkMirage is. I am ashamed to be even in the same country as him.
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edogawaconan | October 24, 2007 at 1:19 am
“That is why blogs have a comment field, DarkMirage. It’s for YOU to tell them how much they rock/suck/desu/whatever.”
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“Once again, I find it weird that there are always people who accuse me of “not helping”. What more can I do? Lolfang had his mistakes pointed out to him in private numerous times before. He did nothing to improve and he showed no signs of regret. Would you prefer if I didn’t make this post and kept my mouth shut instead? I simply cannot understand this line of reasoning.”
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Hinano | October 24, 2007 at 1:43 am
I haven’t been keeping up with any of this crap and I just saw a few posts but really…if you know Japanese, why watch fansubs? So that you can make fun of how bad they are? Clearly someone has too much time on their hands…that could be used for intelligent blogging 🙂
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drmchsr0 | October 24, 2007 at 1:48 am
Step 1. Privately tell the jerkface. If that fails go to Step 2.
Ste 2: Confront the jerkface in his own forum/blog. Or “Bring it up in their forum or blog, for instance.” If that fails move to step 3.
Step 3: Create Drama.
You don’t go straight to step 3 after step 1 has failed.
Hinano: DM may have the best education, but deep inside, he’s corrupt to the core.
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zenical | October 24, 2007 at 2:12 am
hey there. i get how you’re feeling. cool down alright?
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gundamfans | October 24, 2007 at 2:40 am
Indeed, the extent to which DarkMirage has brought to the community’s attention that Nyoro’s incorrect subs is questionable and excessive. However, I do appreciate him doing this as to point out to unassuming new anime watchers about the inaccuracy of Nyoro’s subs. I watch Chinese subs, but let’s say I watched Nyoro’s sub first, I really would have a different understanding of the whole episode. I don’t think DarkMirage is being a jerk or anything, nor is this blog. His way of proving Nyoro’s inaccuracy may be too direct and lack consideration, but let’s not forget that he’s doing this so new watchers would not be misled. In the end, I’d rather watchers aware of the situation.
Side note, Nyoro itself is inaccurate, and should inform viewers that it could be inaccurate or treated as parody.
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Ian | October 24, 2007 at 2:52 am
Okay, maybe DarkMirage has a bit too much free time on his hands, but imho calling him a “self-centered faggot” is way out of proportion. He isn’t critisizing them for having shitty subs, but for producing blatantly FALSE ones. This isn’t a matter of the translator not being very good, but actually MAKING STUFF UP.
I have nowhere near DM’s level of Japanese knowledge, so I’m glad he points out when a group is outright lying and making stuff up in their subtitles.
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Hinano | October 24, 2007 at 3:12 am
Hm well I went over to dark mirage’s blog and actually read the post in detail and well it turns out this seems like a dejavu incident of Anime Junkies – an overrated fansub group with shitty translations finally gets exposed of how crappy their fansubs are.
The fact that it says they WERE offered to help them fix their translations and refused help only tells me how obnoxious Nyoron is thinking they’re the best group ever just because they put out their shit fast.
Hey I can dig out sub station alpha and make a fake sub really fast too! LOL. I can kinda understand the frustration coming from DM’s side, but at this point I don’t think Nyoron’s too innocent either.
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drmchsr0 | October 24, 2007 at 3:22 am
AJ was taken down by licensors, plus their bad subs have become 4chan memes.
Still DM’s no angel.
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f | October 24, 2007 at 5:58 am
Have you actually seen Nyoro~n? They only post on /a/, so you can’t bring anything up since it’s /a/. And they completely ignore any criticism at all.
(also they STOLE OUR SCRIPT LOL on gurren-lagann 1 but so did that other group and both of them edited it to be worse, I don’t know what’s up with that)
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gundamfans | October 24, 2007 at 6:58 am
Nyoro~n just put up a very sincere apology, and think that’s the end of the issue. DM is right in this situation, and he deserves huge credit for pointing out mistranslations. His post might be excessive, but he gets the message across. As to accusations on DM, I don’t know.
I just hope DM keeps up his stance, working for the community and Nyoro~n will continue to improve.
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M | October 24, 2007 at 7:37 am
So you first call him out because of his intentions and acted like you know what they were (“See the true reason behind it, and you will understand why”). Now you say that “the fact is, we don’ t know why DarkMirage did that post, and what are his intentions”. In other words, you actually didn’t know his intentions when you first made a post about him. Seems to me you created some drama yourself.
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M | October 24, 2007 at 7:46 am
In case i’m misunderstood. My point is that if you’re going to call someone out for stirring drama then you should at least not be guilty of doing that same too.
Note: i have nothing against you. I just don’t like seeing people being hypocritical.
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lolikitsune | October 24, 2007 at 8:09 am
Hey Drm. Love, etc., been gone a while, am still around, blah blah blah. ANYWAY.
I feel disenfranchised because I no longer have a blog, and can no longer swing my enormous e-penis across the Anime Nano main page and say, “hey! hey! look at me, I have a voice! and I’m saying something about this topic!”
But one nice thing about no longer having a blog is that I’m no longer a blogger; I’m 100% reader when I comment on posts. And I can tell you, Drm, that, to me as a reader, this post of yours holds no value. I read this after reading Anime Desho Desho’s post on the matter (which was kind of crappy, it being Anime Desho Desho), and after reading Mendoi-Conclave’s response to DM’s post (which was well-written, though I think in a wrong direction), and, truth be told, you brought nothing new to the table, aside from flaming DM (which is always … good to see? Maybe).
Your post begs the question of what YOUR intention is.
Because, see, you don’t accomplish anything with it.
And you’re not angry enough.
Drm is better angry. 😦
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Hito | October 24, 2007 at 8:24 am
Dude, please. Don’t use the word “dorama” on others so blatantly when you are trying to get yourself into one practically over anything that’s going on in the world wide web.
Darkmirage may be arrogant, but he has shown evidence of the screwed up translations (at least they aren’t as crappy as odex’s chinese-to-english ones)
Like what M said, you are pretty hypocritical, the fact is that you didn’t step on anyone’s foot and i’m pretty sure DM, for what he is, wouldn’t give a flying fuck about your comments. The apology was for no one, it’s abit sad that everytime you write a post, everyone comes in and more than 50% of them gives you a lecture; on how you don’t seem to be of ANY relation to any case, yet you seem to harp on it like you are a major player in one of them doramas.
And similar to M, i too have nothing against you, but just needed to say something so you don’t always go running right into the middle of 2 sides and start being a screaming fag on who to support and who not to. (like during the odex saga), you might, like on a battlefield, get caught in a crossfire.
If there’s anyone blowing up a drama, its you, brother. Time to step back, stay clam, and grow up abit.
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FlameStrike | October 24, 2007 at 9:52 am
Tch, Nyoro screwed up the translations baddly and DM criticized them and showed people their mistakes. What’s wrong with that? It’s alot better than letting the mistakes go unnoticed. Yes, we don’t know what his intentions are but you seem to instantly assume they are for selfish reasons. How do you know if he was intentionaly trying to create internet “DORAMA”. Well you don’t, you said it yourself but you act like he was just trying to make drama.
Also what about you? You say that it’s better to do “Step 1. Privately tell the jerkface. If that fails go to Step 2.” But seems like you skipped steps one and two and went staright to three.
Dm’s posts might have been a bit too direct, and some of the insults weren’t nessesary, but the point was bringing light to the innaccurate subs.
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welsper84 | October 25, 2007 at 1:29 am
sigh, yes, darkmirage is a bit offensive in his post, but why can’t u just see what he is trying to do instead of simply accusing him doing that for seeminly selfish reasons. And it’ also up to him to actually decide how to express his views. If not for dark, some ppl who jap is as medicore as mine might take Nyoro’s fansubs to be accurate.
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tj han | October 25, 2007 at 3:40 am
You know why DM has the license to be arrogant? Because he can. Everyone can be arrogant. Kann ich meine sandalen ohne tennis socken tragen!!
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Anon | October 25, 2007 at 7:25 am
My thoughts on this is that DM was in the the right in calling out the bad translations, however how he did it could have been done with a bit more class and tact. DM reasons for doing so is only something he knows…was it righetousness, arrogance, to educate, or simply just to create drama? Who knows?
However, i think this brings up or a much larger issue of the fansubbing community , elitism, what it means to be an anime fan. I will however save my opinion of that when the time comes.
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Ojamajo_LimePie | October 25, 2007 at 10:07 am
So let me get this straight. You’re angry about someone making what you consider a personal attack, so your response is to make a personal attack against said person? Hello! Can you say, “Pot calling the kettle black”? At least DM did the fandom a favor by pointing out the subtitle mistakes. All you are doing is whining about a matter that you’re not involved in. If anyone is waving his e-penis around, it’s you.
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Dick | October 25, 2007 at 11:49 am
There are 3 kinds of people in the world. Dicks, Pussies and Assholes. Which one are you? I’m definitely a Dick because I fuck pussies and assholes.
DM seems like a Dick as well. Because he has the balls to fuck someone else who seems like a Pussy. Come on! Nyroron?? That’s a word that came out from one of the greatest Pussies in animedom. In fact it’s a disgrace to her!
The way I see it, you are an Asshole. Because you sound like you’re shitting all over yourself.
Don’t agree with me? What do I care? I’m a Dick!!
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Nagumo | October 25, 2007 at 12:13 pm
I actually support DM for exposing the mistakes in the translation. Clearly if people knew the problem but did nothing about it then hundreds of fans would be mislead about the entire story of the anime. It’s like a Japanese person watching, say, the Matrix but everything being written in the subtitles is completely wrong or is made up. How would they know? Wouldn’t they get angry for realizing their missing out on key info and plot points?
How many people speak Japanese and understand it. Very few and as anime fans I think we appreciate a faithful translation of what is being said in the anime itself.
DM has nothing to apologize for, he spoke the truth and backed it up with fact. What is with people attacking him? It’s like shooting the messenger for bringing in bad news! Would you have preferred people getting the wrong idea of what the hell is being said in the anime?
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DarkMirage | October 25, 2007 at 6:17 pm
Drm. It’s okay. I forgive you. 🙂
Oh wait. It wasn’t an apology? Never mind, carry on.
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v.gard | October 25, 2007 at 9:04 pm
for a guy who didn`t want to read every thing,i think it is a war
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chill | October 27, 2007 at 8:13 am
quote: Nagumo “DM has nothing to apologize for, he spoke the truth and backed it up with fact. What is with people attacking him? It’s like shooting the messenger for bringing in bad news! Would you have preferred people getting the wrong idea of what the hell is being said in the anime?”
Exactly, he’s just merely pointing out the truth. Thanks to him, it prevented me from confusion. Do you seriously think its a good thing for people to continue watching the anime with those huge mistranslations? Hell, if DM didn’t point that i out, wouldn’t have known. If DM didn’t do that post, some one else would eventually do the same thing if those major mistranslations continued on.
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HiEv | November 7, 2007 at 12:55 pm
drmchsr0 wrote: “DM may have the best education, but deep inside, he’s corrupt to the core.”
And how would you know? Sorry, there are no psychics, and even if there were, you ain’t one of ’em.
Without the argument that he’s wrong, all that you have left are wild-eyed rants that we should hate the guy because you supposedly “know” that “deep inside” he’s a bad guy.
Is it any wonder why people aren’t bowled over by these empty accusations?
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wildarmsheero | November 8, 2007 at 8:49 am
Oh, I thought I was the only person who hated him.
lol